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a school now famous for having the worst cover up of child molestation in history. hundreds of children violated on that campus wearing your michigan state gear actually makes others seeing it go green with sickness and disgust
Large and diverse University, focused yet fun bringing a balanced education for the real world. Possibly the best sports in the country, and unique niche programs such as turfgrass management or packaging to launch you into the professional world.
I want to know how do I get my son invited to a football lineman camp this summer.
Draymond green went there
The Michigan State University student government passed a resolution calling on state and local governments to allow NON-citizens to vote. Proving yet again why they are the worst generation.
I hope they do somthin to help change the culture on this campus and treating young ladies respectfully. Starting with Co-ed dorm living..
Oh yeah i spent 10 million dollars on a grass cutting scholarship
The most beautiful campus ever
I had pursued Certification course on Supply Chain Management from Eli Broad College of Business as part of MBA exchange programme at SP Jain, Mumbai.
Love this place because it is the best colleges ever MICHIGAN STATE is THE BEST
Disgusting, shameful excuse for a school. Sad when you realize that at the end of the day, a school is a business and will put their interest first. Well this business is a toxic rotting hell pit that ALLOWED hundreds of young girls to be sexually assaulted by a member of their staff. I hope an earthquake hits and swallows this blight on this country whole.
I am so glad I attended this wonderful school!
its awesome all the time because its just right it lets you kinda be free and at the same time they give u enogh learning thank go to Mighigan state university
Girl was assaulted and MSU still continue sending bill to her.. this school is all about covered up and $$$
Not to stand out like a sore thumb, but my experiences with MSU have never been pleasant. Taking a campus visit I was greeted with rude staff who tried their best to make my day horrible. The students are...how can I say this? Wild animals. The classes are too large for any professor to know you as anything more than a number and the atmosphere is beyond unwelcoming. I'm not sure whether or not I was just caught in a bad day, but as far as I'm concerned I'd rather be studying in Hell. It was THAT bad.
Billing Nassar victims. You should be ashamed of yourselves!
This place is very disturbing , we all know this university is filled with racist professors , racist staff , we need to make a petition to get this university to do what's right.
Thanks for every thing Michigan University I love you
It's an awesome place. Such a big college and a nice place for walk.
great although administration is hard to communicate with sometimes
Im a 12 year old looking for my future and im glad to say that in my point i will be going to michigan state university. Im happy to see other people enjoying it too and making me want to go more. :)
Loved the mix of education, social activities, athletics, diversity, and the most beautiful campus! I can't imagine a better college experience. Go green!
GO GREEN GO WHITE. I love MSU so much. Beautiful place for education.
Great time going to school here.
This is a wonderful school and a beautiful campus.
I went to MSU for grad school in the early 2000’s at an extension campus after teaching school, but I have to say I strongly disagree with their decision to remain open amid the snowstorm. It’s dangerous and stupid for a day of education! Not all students live on campus and some will be driving that includes staff. Students who walk are risking slipping on ice, frostbite, breaking bones from falling and getting hit by cars who have less experienced drivers with snowy conditions. Not to mention these dangerous windchills! It’s better to close before a student needlessly dies and the family sues!
Huge impact on my life. Love this school.
Great place to get a degree, but the tuition, like all big colleges is high.
Lots of people are there
Hai, I recently received a mail which confirmed my admission for MS in MSU .When i read most of the reviews,majority spoke about the big and the nice campus out there but can anyone provide me with details regarding the faculty and the placements ???
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Enjoyed myself at this University... Love it
Very poor I wasted 8 years here and now my wife yells at me. BTW there basketball team illegally stole my sons 6u basketball team basketballs.
Great experience, there is some adjustments to be made if coming from an urban area like Chicago, but it was definitely a positive environment for me.
The greatest school in the world, simple as that. Go Green!
WELL WELL SO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT MSU...GO GREEN GO WHITE..BESIDES THAT...ITS ALWAYS GONNA BE A UNIVERSITY CLOSEST TO MY HEARTTTT....FIRST UNI I GOT ACCEPTED INTO..BFR I WENT TO INDIA FOR COLLEGE...LOVE THE NATURE, LOCATION, OVERALL VIBE OF MSU...THE RED CEDAR RIVER, ALL THE DIVERSE ACTIVITIES & OPPORTUNITES ON CAMPUS..ITS DEF A WORLD OF ITS OWN..I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS A TRUE CAMPUS FEEL COLLEGE TOWN..LOVE THE WAY EVERYTHIGN IS ORGANIZED..ALL THE BDGS ARE NOT TOO SCATTERED LIKE UOFM N WAYNE STATE..ITS ALL IN A BIG RECTANGLE..ITS NOT TOO HARD TO GET AROUND..GOOD BUS TRANSPORTATION BY CATA...ITS BEYOND AMAZINGGG..THTS HOW I GET MYSELF AROUND CAMPUS N OFF CAMPUS ALL THE TIME..VERY ACCESSIBLE LIBRARIES TO STUDY IN OPEN FOR ANYONE..EVEN PUBLIC..MSU MAIN LIBRARY & LAW LIBRARY ARE SUPER FRIENDLY!!! SOME BEAUTIFUL PLACES ON CAMPUS ARE THE SPARTAN STATUE,SPARTAN STADIUM MUST SEE TOURISTS SPOTS, MSU DAIRY STORE, MSU UNION BDG, RED CEDAR RIVER WALK, YEAH JUST A DRIVE THRU ROUND CAMPUS IS ALSO FUN...N OF COURSE ALL THE DINING HALLS ARE BEYOND GREAT...BEEN TO ALL 9 OF THEM..HAVE SOME SELECTED FAVORITES WHICH I ALWAYS GO TO N RECOMMEND!!!! OVERALL A HIGHLY RECOMMENDED UNIVERSITY FOR ANYONE TO ATTEND...GO GREEEEEEN GO WHITEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Great place to send your kid if you want her to get raped by the staff.
My dad went there and he said it was pretty lit
MSU is now deploying random 5-star reviews to compensate for the 1-star reviews that alumni are justifiably leaving in the wake of the Nassar scandal. Update: Now featuring Richard Spencer. Update: Resumed offering bribes to silence victims, courtesy of John Engler. Update: John Engler is still there. Update: John Engler is still there, now silencing victims through Alumni Magazine with Emily Guerrant's assistance. Do what you will.
what can i say? it is after all my alma mater
Such a gorgeous campus. I love this place.
A wonderful university full of culture, student life, advanced study, and beautiful landscape. Go Green! Go White! Go State!
Summer break is the best time to go visit campus....you know when there are no people there. Parking is nearly impossible but duh, it's a University so parking is always going to be crap. And don't even try to go to campus when there is a home game. Freaking crazy football fans.
Go Green! Go White!
thanks for amazing four years.
Why do I see an empty field in the satellite images, but I see the university if I drop in.
Got to give this 3 stars to average out all my 4 and 5 star reviews. Thought I would post some good pics for yall. As you can see, the key to a good photo is to get them at the peak of anxiety. Nothing else breathes life into a photo like true fear. Don't worry though, no kids were "harmed" while taking these. Oh, and that other photo? Yep.
Lovely campus. Graceful to ONE who gets seat here.
Knowledge Performance is your main purpose. Thanks to MSU
If i could give this place a zero star rating, i would. After the mess on the news, I'm surprised a lot of the staff have jobs. If it was my decision, MSU would be shut down.
Wonderful campus in a wonderful town.
As a student with a disability, I can't wait to be done at MSU. I have nothing nice to say about the school or most of its people. I used to be so excited at the idea of going here, now I don't even think this place should be in business bc of the injustice it does to their students. I've never felt such discrimination and poor treatment in my life. Everything is all about getting as much money as they possibly can from you, whether it's through tuition, unjustified vehicle towing/tickets, hidden fees, etc. The second they get your dollar, they couldn't care less about making sure you succeed as a student. No one wants to do anything in a timely manner, be held accountable for their negligence or go out of their way to ensure the right thing is being done. I can only imagine the number of people that had to quit trying to get an education bc of the institution's mistakes. But we should all appreciate the $10 million scoreboard they put in the stadium?! MSU is a disgrace to educational institutions.
Awesome place to learn! Many scholarships and oppurtunites!
I hope larry doesn't affect my degree here
Large campus, nice people, great dairy store. Miss there so much.
go green
The Best!
thank you Michigan State University for be the best school ever keep up the good work go green go white we love you so much M SU sue curtis
We all know the saying when it rains it pours and it is definitely pouring at Michigan State University the atrocities and ruthless acts that were carried out by Dr nassar and former basketball and football players and allowed to go on for so long would shake anyone to their core.
MSU has a massive student population and wonderful resources for any interest or passion imaginable. It might be too big for some people, it's easy to get lost in the crowd. Follow your interests, get involved in groups, and you will have a great time while getting educated by excellent faculty members.
I love MSU! Wonderful school experience
I got a scholarship many years ago. But I couldn't go. In those days the student affairs were incredibly helpful. I like them very much. They were very interested in the students.
This school is bad. Don't go here. They rip you off. I paid over $10,000 for a burger flipping scholarship. Also they are garbage at all sports.
Far and above the best academic institution in the state of Michigan. Not only do you get a highly respected degree while developing your knowledge, but you also get the atmosphere and surroundings which allow you to learn about yourself and find your true meaning and worth to this world, for better or for worse. Your independent life as you finally realize it, starts here.
Beautiful campus grounds and nice people from different cities, states, and countries cooperating on groundbreaking things together.
One of the best universities in the world. Such a big campus. Provides all the major courses. Completely student driven college
I am yet to attend the school as of now but I hope I'll very soon, then I'll probably rate it 10 stars. Heard so much about the school already.
So thrilled...Much love MSU, xoxo.
Wonderful place to make good friends and get a quality education. Go Green!
MSU is a very great college and they have an awesome football team and half of the teachers and students like or love Michigan state university and i know this watcher name Michelle Gushen and she is in love with Michigan state and i know that i do too. i plan on going to Michiagn state university when i graduate from high school.
Michigan State University look like a great place and my daughter said with she graduate from high school she going to go there and I know she's going because she is a hard worker.
GO GREEN! GO WHITE! I loved my time at MSU! Class of 2013 woowoo!
Apparently when studnets report sexual assult they are told they do not know the difference between medical assistance and sexual assult. Your children will not be protected here. MSU supports pedophiles... and barrates victims... #timesup.
It was wonderful experience. Beautiful campus, excellent instructors and a great mix of students.
Address All the young ladies concerns that have cried out for help. Sick....
I Loved everything about this campus! From the wide open spaces to the community spirit among all Spartans you can truly feel like you're at home among this group of people. I hope to join the 2019 class of Spartans for these exact reasons. There is something to do every day of the week and you can tell they really focus on making a positive view of themselves involving school work and team spirit!
Good university. Great place to spend 4+ years of your life. Learn a lot and meet a lot of great people. Without MSU, i wouldn’t be where i am today or had the connections that have gotten me into my career. Thank you, MSU. Go Green Go White!
Not a better school to go to for the complete college experience. Great education, great people, great times.
Literally hundreds of children were molested by an employee. Covered up for decades. Arguably worse even than Penn State. Foul, vile, sinister place.
Great school. I met some excellent people and had some incredible experiences. Took a few classes that were unnecessary, but overall had a solid time.
When I graduated from high school the thought of being at a place like MSU ... that was sheer pipe dream. I had the same feeling after graduating from college. But what you think will never happen ... well..... To spend 34 years at MSU--as faculty member and administrator--was a dream come true. It's in "the bigs" of higher education, an experience I'll always cherish. Dreams sometimes come true, don't they?
Great university I love it go green go white
PLEASE DON'T READ ALL THE NEGATIVITY SURROUNDED WITH THIS SCHOOL, THERE ARE STILL POSITIVES SURROUNDING IT! Me and my mother visited this campus today (7/27/18) for their white and green day event. I really enjoyed the event because of the amount of information I gained from the admissions staff, students, and other staff members. However, MSU has been plagued with a bad reputation ever since the Nassar scandal and the school is slowly trying to do damage control. This scandal might make incoming freshmen wary about coming to the school knowing there has been such an instance. MSU's tuition has gone up in the previous years and I think it's a little high and they should make it more affordable. Same goes with their parking permits. I like how they offer many extracurricular clubs/activities for people to join (even unusual ones like squirrel watching). I also like how large the dorms are and the student help you can receive if you're struggling with a certain subject. What I don't like is the construction around the campus because it slows down traffic, but the school has the construction to make the school better and safer. I may not be a Spartan right now, but MSU, despite its flaws, is still one of the schools I'm considering to go to. Go green! Go white!
located in a strange and boring town with people who have largely seemed to have not met anyone outside the midwest.
Love it here. Great sense of comradery
Nice people and nice place to learn.
Clearly and documented cases of repeated victim-shaming and ignoring decades of reports to maintain their "name". Then, after all has been proven in a court of law and multiple testimonies uphold It, the board still maintaijns confidence in the president?!? How do they still have a job? I work very closely with a college prep highschool and we discourage all students from applying to MSU.
I would be so embarrassed if I got my degree from this school. I'm sure they will lose a lot of students faculty and business now because of them purposely covering up sexual abuse for many years all because of greed and money! Shame on MSU! Let's turn a blind eye to sexual abuse because of money how horrible what a horrible horrible excuse for a school. Good luck keeping your enrollment up I have 2 daughters that will attend college one day and I guarantee you it won't be this one. All these poor girls lives ruined because you're wanted to keep a sexual predator.
I loved the variety of study abroad programs that were available. My experience in Tours, France during the summer of 2002 was absolutely amazing. I also participated in an alternative Spring Break to Quebec City, Quebec. I'm still friends with people from both experiences even ten years out of college. My sister, from the class of '12 went to Valencia, Spain with MSU, and also found it to be a life-changing experience. The campus, especially the North end, is absolutely beautiful. I just love the older buildings, including the Mason/Abbott/Snyder/Phillips complex. That was a great place to live for short walks to class if you were in the College of Arts & Letters. I really enjoyed shopping and hanging out on Grand River while an undergrad as well.
What a horrible school with horrible administration supporting the most famous college predator. I have lost all respect for what I once though thought was a decent school, but clearly the school has shown throughout this case that all they care about is money. Shameful and this school will be losing millions upon millions in upcoming lawsuits.
worst college I have ever seen
I have been n FFA and 4H since I can remember, in that time I have visited MSU millions of times. This school has a big campus but it is amazing like no other! The staff and the students are helpful and nice. Even though the class sizes are huge you can make a connection with your professor by actually going to see them and talk to them. I would recommend going to this school.
MSU is more than a school: It's an experience. Plus, MSU has a strong alumni following all over the World. Go Green Go White.
So prestigious and elegant! Go Green, Go White!
My nephew went here and now teaching at OSU.
This is Carolyn Kemp and I graduated from State in 1968 and proud of it. But, I am appalled that MSU would host an "Intelligent Design" summit. That should only take place on a religious campus! Who let this happen? May as well discuss "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs!"
aids, protects, abets paedophile behaviour. Disgusting place
Evil school... 156 girls and counting have been sexually violated by a vicious predator. School did nothing. President just resigned. Horrible just horrible. I will never be sending my kids to this school, even though it was my Alma Mater.
Really Awesome School great Campus
Never went there as a student, but I worked there. Very beautiful campus, fun activities and nice consumer goods to buy nearby and good work/life balance. Recommended campus for foodies and nature geeks; foodies especially will LOVE MSU.
Friend is trying to transfer there. He has a 4.0. He completed what they said was the required math class over the summer while working full-time. He got turned down by them because they said "There is another math class you had to complete that you didn't." BULL. That class was suggested and you told him specifically when he asked about it that it was not required. And if you had told him this when you said you would the first time, he would have had time to take that class this fall. The college may be excellent, but it it TERRIBLE for transfers.
Frame ups, false charges, false accusations. false testimony, Kangaroo Courts , and all from the liberal, and pampered elite. Oh , I almost fogot you will not get a job no matter how well qualified you are ! Rats and weasels only please !
Great college education and sports. Go Green
The best four years of my life! MSU '97 GO GREEN!
Excellent University. I have a family legacy here. I highly suggest attendong and working at MSU
Really cool layout. Wish the dorms were air conditioned.
i got stuff from auburn ohio state nebraska iowa and msu and i chose msu and got a football scolarship and now im on my way i am using my old email cause i dont have my new one yet but i got to chill with coach mark dantonio so all in all msu has a great campus cant wait to get there
I guess the university earned quite a lot of fundings by squeezing from the students every single penny of their money? Also, the only reason the university take in so many international students is probably they need them to boost their rankings, and of course, the money from their pockets are desirable as well. But then why on earth do they treat these students they rely on with no intentions of getting them really on a good track of education , instead of simply discriminating against them, pushing them around ? Such a myth.
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Nice survey, hey admin, "have you choked on something recently"? What a pathetic excuse for a university
Best Dairy Store and ice cream at any University!
GO GREEN! GO WHITE! MSU has very amazing summer camps! Exploration Days is the best of all of them though!
It's an excellent university with great professors. The technology is extremely modern and always being updated. The picture shown of the computer's in MSU's library. The Internet speed from a hardwired connection (RJ45/Ethernet) is almost always about ~900 megabits down and 900 megabits up. The WiFi, though, is extremely lacking. Ensure you have a nice data plan when you attend.
You guys are unbelievable you won't even stand up for the most innocent and precious individuals in our society , perverted perverted Time to clean house get rid of the president the chairs anybody associated with making decisions of responsibility for the innocence of our kids you guys should be ashamed of yourself and should all be locked up !!!
so kind
Great experience!! Awesome under-grad, Political science pre law program!!!
Best University in the country overall! Wouldn't go anywhere else! Go Green!
I have had some experiences here that were so amazing you wouldn’t actually believe me if I described in detail
Greatest university in the world! Don’t @ me #GoGreen
GO GREEN. GO WHITE. The best place in all of the land.
Amazing campus! Great academics, fun people and an awesome athletics program! Go Green!!
My daughter is a student at MSU she loves it there great school friendly people
Great school. Big fan. HUGE cafeteria. Lots to explore. Bonus: It's close to a really nice river.
I recommend touring the campus, it is very large filled with many friendly kids and staff members! This college was very welcoming to tourists. It is also great for learning about new campuses and how a college works! I truly recommend this college!
I really like the building because it makes me want just go in its really cool
Went to school here. The first day I noticed how many simply attend MSU for parties and didn't work at all to be admitted. While I spent my days in class or at work, my roommates or hall-mates were blasting music, skipping class, having intercourse, and getting drunk. Class sizes are too large, and despite my efforts to attend office hours and get to know my teachers, many didn't seem to care about anything other than getting their checks. New teacher's were brought in and received no training, when this caused students to fail an exam (60% of the class), ZERO apologies were made and the students were blamed. Racist and sexist speakers were allowed on campus and the culture was not made for people to succeed. The University exists to get money from people's freshman and sophomore year before they wise up and leave. Regret having attended here and advise students to ignore the sporting programs and it's long history, and leave the school to clean up it's act.
Go Green!
As a lobster, I partied and drank and did a lot of stuff. PP Boy for life!!!!
Went here for graduate school. World class professors and my diploma gave me opportunities far beyond my expectations. Go Green!
MSU, protectors of molesters. Close MSU!
My sis loves this place she is going to pursue her dream and become a doctor because of this school
I hate this place. Thus, it is the greatest school in the world (in many people's opinion), Its my greatest Rival.
Greatest University in the US. Personally I believe University of Waterloo is better in the academia side of things but MSU is seriously the greatest. The campus is amazing and the student life is great. Plus all the affordable food nearby and the sports teams (Izzo, Boss and Dantonio) make this the greatest university. #GoGreen #RIP3 #RIPMike
Amazing school! Beautiful Campus!
Beautiful campus to visit , nice floral garden and the dairy store is a must visit , for delicious icecream and visit the museum, as well as a surplus store , were you can find a variety of goods to buy and don't forget to visit Brody Hall for eating at a great price and they had a large BUFFET, that is open to the public and you can park at Kellogg center across the street. And the Warton Center offers great Broadway shows.
Visited here several times, pretty huge campus, very diversity, faculties are very friendly! Love here!
Joined the Ranks of Pennstate. POS school, don't send your kids here.
Back in 2007, my daughter was involved in the gymnastics recruiting process for the NCAA. She was in contact with Kathy Klages through emails from Canada. Given what transpired at this institution over decades, I can only be eternally grateful that my daughter wasn't accepted for their program and was recruited by a Division I Ivy League University instead.
Top notch agricultural and business programs. Would definitely recommend!
I love taking portraits on this beautiful campus! Check out my Facebook page Sylvia Jarrus Photography to see more of my work and a session with me.
I wrote a very detailed review of why this place is garbage but lost it when I accidently refresed so here's the main points: 1) Geared towards profit, not for actually teaching, with huge class sizes. Many classes are taught more by overworked TAs than the professors. Not that a lot of professors know how to teach anyways. 2) Commuting students are placed at a huge disadvantage, with most student activities and plenty of exams ending after the campus bus stops running at 7pm. Which wouldn't be that big of an issue, if commuters didn't pay $100+ for the privilege of being allowed to park on the one lot as far from the core of the campus as possible. 3) Classes are practically structured to give disabled students as much trouble as possible. There's a huge emphasis on timed tests. I've asked one professor about extended time limits because I have an anxiety disorder, he lied to me and said that wasn't possible, so I didn't bother filing for accommodations until it was too late. Also there's only a few actual desks at the back of the classroom for disabled students, which are often taken up by abled students. The half desks everywhere else definitely aren't suited for writing with tendonitis. 4) Elitism, only a certain amount of credits are accepted from community colleges despite all of my community college classes being VASTLY superior to any at MSU. Anyways I was a 3.7 GPA student making good progress on my degree despite my disabilities before going here. I would have to retake about half of my classes if I stayed here, and the thought of staying here gives me panic attacks. This year has been a waste of time and money, while I took a huge hit to my mental health. And health in general. I haven't been sleeping well at all. I'm very tired and my depression/anxiety/tendonitis have been boosted due to stress and lack of self care. Please go somewhere else. And attend community colleges like Jackson College and Lansing Community College as much as possible before university. Maybe find a nice technical college instead because as far as I know all universities are like this.
Beautiful place. Good education.
Went to the Rodeo in Lansing. Had a great time but not enough seating for all the people whom attended. Still had a great time watching all the events.
Go Green!
FIRE your President. She needs to be held accountable for her actions in the Nassar scandal!!! Stop degrading this University more by letting her keep her job!!! Stand up for what’s right!
I really like what the school looks like and I love Draymond Green
The University includes The Kellogg Center, a center for hospitality that welcomes families at graduation. The Center is a venue for meetings, visiting lecture series, professional or career interests, galas and symposiums. Harrison Road bridges the hospitality school and athletic complex.
This is the campus where ex-USA Gymnastic doctor Larry Nassar worked at right? Pretty sad excuse for a University to let someone get away with it constantly....
Beautiful campus that is fun to walk around and enjoy everything. They also make great ice cream at the dairy stores!
They have some of the best things going on.
Beautiful campus brimming with arts, sports, and social activity. Visit every season to truly admire the beauty. Children's Gardens, Beaumont Tower, river walk, and MSU Dairy Store (for ice cream) are some absolute must-do activities. Wharton Center for Performing Arts brings top-notch entertainment. MSU also has world class education programs!
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They allow a graduate student who did not follow IACUC approved protocol to graduate with a Master's Degree (Kate Steensma Fall 2012). By her not following the approved protocol, the cows were starved and had severe consequences to their health.
So many opportunities, you just have to search for them.
Beautiful environment, great tradition, a true campus feeling.
Shame on MSU for enabling a monster to sexually abuse women for decades. Shame for not investigating this sooner and properly. There will be consequences for failure to act sooner. These women will not be silenced or shamed any longer.
Despite the waves of negativity directed at MSU, it is easy to lose sight of the fact that the poor actions of a few people do not reflect the tireless hard work of thousands of people at this very respectable institution.
@michiganstateu is pro racism. Why else wouldn't they kick out Jillian Kirk who goes around calling people the N word. Place is all kinds of messed up